Box Reborn by Limelight Mechanics: Not Really a Review

Introduction

By a miraculous series of events, I managed to get a hold of a Box Reborn by Limelight Mechanics. I missed a randomizer, and a very nice guy (now my friend) gave me his spot. I didn’t get on board with my erstwhile unicorn the DNA 40 Box, and by the time I got a line on one, I had kind of outgrown the DNA 40 board. I paid for the Box Reborn and for a spare set of panels out of my own pocket, and I am extremely excited about it. The Box Reborn included the Tube Atty (also by Limelight), but I will be reserving a separate review for that.

The reason why I put in the title that this isn’t really a review is because I adore this mod. The instant I found out about it, I needed it. Dejan from Limelight has been enormously helpful, and customer service is clearly a priority with Limelight.

Todd brings up an interesting point in his review of this same mod. This mod is one out of 99 and that’s it. There won’t be more. As with anything, not everyone will be able to get all the things they want, and I happen to have lucked into being able to get one (even outside of the already RNG based way they’re distributed), and I was lucky enough that my finances lined up so I could purchase one.

This will be more of a dissection of the design and materials. It will be structured like a review, but the avenue of attack will be a little different.

Specifications

  • Price: $550 (includes panels, Tube Atty, and calfskin case)
  • Chipset: DNA 200 Board
  • Dimensions: 80mm tall x 50mm deep x 25mm wide
  • Battery: 950mAh 3S LiPo (10.545 Watt Hours)
  • Accessories: Stone panels (+$30/pair), stabilized wood panels (+$50/pair)

There is a lot to be said about the DNA 200 and eScribe (a lot of that being how much better eScribe has gotten over the last 6 months), but that can be contained to its own post. Let it suffice to say that I am considerably more appreciative of this chip than I was before.

A quick word about battery life, the 950mAh LiPo cell in here is just a hair shorter than a 3,000mAh 18650, so take that for what you will. It’s enough for a full day for me since I’m a sub 20W vaper, but maybe not for everyone.

The stock panels are stone, of a variety of your choosing. I decided to go with the Jeera Green panels myself. More about the stone panels later, because they are a major source of why I think this mod is great.

Examination

Materials

Outside

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The frame of the mod is a brushed stainless steel that curves kind of gently around the corners. It’s extremely comfortable to hold even for extended periods of time.

The button caps are placed directly above the DNA 200 control board as far as I can tell. They’re flush with the mod and made of the same material, but because of the screen and where the atomizer attaches (nearer the button side) it’s really quite difficult to lose track of where they live on the mod (so no feeling around to look around for them). The primary con against the buttons, though, is that it can be a little difficult to get both adjustment buttons pressed down to change menus and settings.

Inside

The 950mAh 3S LiPo battery is held into place with user removable brushed aluminum bracket-frame things. You just need a little hex wrench to get them out of the mod, and once your battery reaches the end of its life, it doesn’t sound like much of a task to replace the battery.

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Inside, the board and some of the internals are held in place with ebano wood. It is definitely not ebony since this is quite a soft wood, and my Google-fu has kept me from finding out what exactly that wood is. That said, the touch on the internals is quite nice. The wood is engraved indicating that this is the first batch, so that makes me wonder if there will be more runs in the future.

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The big takeaway though, is that the inside is as handsome as the outside. Cable management is tastefully hidden, and whenever you take the panels off to swap them you are met with a clean and attractive view instead of just a vision of the guts.

Panels

The panels are very important to consider from the perspective of the materials used. The Box and Box Reborn have their panels swapped out with very strong magnets, and the way the magnets are attached keeps things quite stable even if there are some slight gaps. You choose your stock panel material from a variety of stones and you’re off! The choice of stone (which was available for the first DNA 40 Box from Limelight) was and remains a novel choice. You simply don’t see it frequently in the higher end scene where stabilized/hybrid wood reigns supreme.

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The stone is attached to metal panels. When you want to change out your panels, you poke a tool that resembles a SIM card ejector into the bottom of the mod, pop up the bottom of the panel and that gives you enough traction to change it out!

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Beyond the stone offerings, even the stabilized wood materials available are unique among the others that dominate the market. Most of them have excellent dye penetration with stainless steel accents. The metal borders within the panels have allowed Limelight to use multiple wood sections in each panel choice, so it’s not just one single block used. On all of my panels, once they are in place they don’t move a bit. Once they are in place (even with a few slight gaps), nothing rattles or scoots around. Once your panels are on they are staying on.

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Overall, the panels that Limelight Mechanics have created for the Box mods are quite distinctive among the rest that I have encountered so far, and achieving market differentiation in this day and age is really a great feat.

Other Stuff

The calfskin case that the Box Reborn comes with is one of my favorite things about this mod. It’s very soft, looks good, fits well, and feels quite sturdy. The one time I took the Box Reborn out of my house for a day trip, I kept it in the case all day and felt like it was adequately protected. The only downside is that it can be a little slippy when using the wood panels because they are thinner than the stone panels and the case has to fit around both.

The presentation box the mod came in is fantastic. It is wooden with a sliding top that has a tight fit, but smooth motion to open and close. Inside, the panels and mod are protected by a leather sheet and foam pad. Everything is in its place and was well protected through the long trip over from Serbia.

A brief word about the Tube Atty – it is handsome and fits well on the mod. I’m excited to take a critical view on it and use it in a dedicated fashion so I can gather my thoughts around it. There are some common opinions I have come across already, but I don’t think people are looking at the big picture.

The Box Reborn also comes with an atty plate protector in the form of a clear sticker, but I couldn’t get it centered right so I just gave up on it. I don’t plan on my Box Reborn going anywhere, so nuts to atty swirl.

Another interesting tidbit is that the LiPo battery is that it is user serviceable. The battery, once it has run its lifetime course, is replaceable. I think it requires a hair of soldering, but that is excellent to know! The DNA 200 is a board that has stupendous staying power, the limited lifetime of an integrated LiPo cell is the only big issue that many people have with the DNA 200 (outside of its price).

UX

This is my first formal examination of UX, user experience. All of the bill of materials stuff is tackled, and it has all come together in an extremely handsome device.

The ergonomics of the Box Reborn are quite nice. It is not petite, but not stout. Its 25mm diameter I thought might be a little problematic, but my hands fit around everything. The corners aren’t sharp, and the steel frame curves gently to fit in my hand.

As stated above, the adjustment buttons can be a little hinky. It can be hard to lock power to do a variety of the DNA 200’s functions because the buttons are a little close together and it can be hard to tell when both are depressed. That said, accidental adjustments haven’t happened once on me yet.

The fire button, though, is my favorite. When I posted a first impression on a forum, I described it as “touching God’s nipple” and I will maintain that position because it truly is fantastic. It’s a large button, but it doesn’t take much effort to push down. Being a little off center won’t keep the mod from firing or keeps the action from feeling any less smooth.

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It’s kind of the direct opposite of the Dani Extreme V2+’s little nubblet button. Both are great, but the Box Reborn’s button is a joy. It has smooth action from all angles and you know it’s going to work whenever you hit it. It’s the same kind of assurance you get when you use a Provari.

The whole Box is a little hefty. It’s not a chore to use it, but it does convey the heft that you expect from a premium thing (interestingly, I got to use a Juul for a little bit a while back and I was disappointed with how flimsy it felt in my hand, especially given that it’s a little pricey for what it is).

I mentioned a little earlier that the battery is user serviceable, and getting the battery out of there isn’t hard at all. I had the probably-not-great idea to get up in there when I first got the Box Reborn to see what it was like. I don’t have to do it, and likely won’t have to replace the battery for a year, but it gives me a certain sense of assurance knowing that the battery can be replaced, and that kind of peace of mind is really special when using a multi-hundred dollar device with a LiPo battery.

If I had only one word to describe the Box Reborn, I think it would be graceful. It is understated, timeless, simple-yet-elegant, user serviceable, and made with quality materials by quality people.

Conclusion

Despite the fact that this is not a review per se the question “Who is it for?” still deserves asking.

Who is this for?

The Box Reborn by Limelight Mechanics is for:

  • The technically oriented (by virtue of the DNA 200 board)
  • Those who want a desk mod
  • Folks who want a high end mod, but not something necessarily flashy or avant-garde
  • People who appreciate quality craftsmanship
  • Someone who wants a mod that will last (the DNA 200 and replaceable LiPo give great staying power to the Box)

If you want something that has a truly unique profile, this is not the mod for you. If you want a mod that you don’t have to be involved with, the Box Reborn is still not for you. If you need more than a single 18650’s worth of battery life, the Box Reborn is not for you, either. If you don’t want to deal with a LiPo battery, it’s sooooo not for you.

For me, however, the Box Reborn is the complete package. A single 18650 really gets me through the day, so battery life is not an issue. I’ve gotten more into using eScribe than I had with my HFO DNA 200 (and the software really has taken huge leaps forward over the last 6 months). It’s handsome, panels are easy to change, and rock solid.

This is why I wanted to write an analysis of the design and material choices on the Box. It’s everything I could need and I knew that when I purchased it. Barring some egregious manufacturing issues, I knew I was going to be a fan.

Hopefully this article still performs a service to my readers and perhaps even to the modders out there. I hate articles and “reviews” that are people just bragging about the new gear they got, and I hope that with each article (except maybe mail calls and progress updates) helps contribute to the pool of knowledge in the industry.

If you hate this kind of article or have suggestions on improvements, please let me know! I hope, though, you enjoyed it.

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The Vapor Flask Stout by Vape Forward Review

Full Disclosure

I do know Charlie, I would say we’re acquaintances. I was never taken with the design of the original Flask, but always respected what Charlie was doing. I first met him before he had his first prototypes out for the Flask, and I really can’t say how much I respect the impact he’s made in the market and how well Vape Forward are doing.

I purchased this mod for myself, though, because I feel like this is going to be an important market segment, and we may see further developments as regulations come online worldwide and make it more difficult for smaller studios to stay in business.

The Stout, Pico, and Sword Slash Gundam
The Stout, Pico, and Sword Slash Gundam

Specs

  • Price: $90.00
  • Battery: Single 26650 or 18650 w/included adapter
  • Output: 1-100W (0.1 Ohms to 3.5 Ohms in VW)
  • TC: Ni200, Ti (01 I’m guessing?), SS (316L I’m guessing?); 100*C-315*C (0.05 Ohms to 1.0 Ohms in TC)
  • Dimensions: 30mm wide, 85.3mm tall, and 46.5mm deep.
  • Chipset: Custom Joyetech
  • Firmware upgradeable? Yes.
  • 510: Spring Loaded

Introduction, Impressions, and Appearance

The Stout comes in a textured presentation box, which has the Vape Forward logo around on the individual boxes (for the micro USB cable, etc) and the largest box. Every piece is attractive and on-message as far as telling you who this came from, but it could be a little nicer.

When I first picked the Stout up, I had expected a rather dense item, but without the battery inside of it it is lighter than anticipated. That’s not good or bad, it is what it is. It has made me curious about how the other VF models feel without batteries in them. Once the 26650 is in there it has great heft, which I certainly enjoy. Overall, the Stout feels good. It’s comfortable in the hand, and it has a reassuring weight. For me, it lets me know it’s there without being an oppressive hand-eater (as the VTR of yore could be). The black finish is smooth looking and feeling.

The battery life has been wonderful. I picked up a pair of green Efest 4,200mAh batteries when I ordered this, and the 40% increase in battery life over my usual LG HG2s is super noticeable. I catch myself using the Stout later in the evening and realizing I have loads of battery life left, so that’s really great.

The buttons are interesting. Initially mine were rattley, which was suboptimal. After a while (when I wasn’t looking) they just stopped rattling – so that’s good! There is some play, but you need to be firm to get them to move noticeably. The fire and adjustment buttons all feel good, there’s a good tactile click. The fire button sounds hollow-ish, but the adjustment buttons have a good peppy click-sound to them that I do enjoy.

I have a weakness for unique design mechanisms on mods, and the door for swapping out the batteries certainly pleases. Swapping a battery is easy, quick, and mechanically satisfying. It’s just a fun door to play with! I do think the battery tube could stand to be a hair deeper because a lot of popular 26650 batteries such as Efest greens and Orbtronics don’t fit, and keep the door from closing as it should.

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The mod is perfectly comfortable to use either with my index finger or thumb on the fire button. Overall, it’s comfortable and fairly handsome, so there isn’t too much to complain about as a workhorse ergonomically, mechanically, and aesthetically.

Software

The software is simple to navigate, and the instructions in the manual are easy to follow. In TC mode, the temperature adjustments are the default adjustment and main feature on the screen, rather than the wattage (hint hint, Evolv). The resistance reading could be a little larger (if you have bad eyes, it may be a bit of a struggle), but the screen is overall a good size.

The Screen in TC Mode
The Screen in TC Mode
The screen in VW mode.
The screen in VW mode.

But now…things get a little hinky.

I use TC. It is an enormous development for the industry, and it has a lot of potential for improving not just things like coil or wick durability, but also for keeping users from being exposed to byproducts from overheated coils. At this stage in the game, every manufacturer absolutely should have a flat signal DC output figured out. Quality of the VW experience shouldn’t even factor in at this point.

The temperature control on this mod does not work. It miscalibrates whether or not you fire on a fresh coil, it has no way to force recalibration (to get the mod to ask if it’s a new coil – I’ve only made the message appear 3 times), and it can misread your temperature by over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That is entirely unacceptable for a TC mod. The most accurate I could get the mod to work was when it was misreading by “only” 60 degrees. Swapping between Celsius and Fahrenheit did not solve any issues, nor did loading a firmware update. This brings me to an important point:

If the feature doesn’t work, don’t include it.

The whole point of an instrument is to indicate something your senses aren’t the best at checking, and this instrument is about the equivalent of a speedometer reading “stopped”, “going”, and “fast”. It’s unbelievably frustrating.

The Stout is a fine VW device, and there isn’t anything wrong with that, but if you have this marketable feature (TC), you need to prepare to be judged on it. Everything else works just fine; the buttons, battery latch, 510 connector for atties that get their airflow through the 510, all of it; it just falls on its face where I wanted, needed, and hoped it would succeed.

Extras

The Stout comes with an 18650 battery sleeve adapter, instruction booklet, warranty card, and micro USB cable. Everything has the very nice, understated Vape Forward logo on it or the box it comes in, and it just adds a little bit of character to the package.

The micro USB cable is fine – nothing to write home about, similar to what you get in just about everything else. It functions as it should for firmware upgrades.

The instruction card is detailed, and discusses how to change modes, change temperature readouts, change settings, et cetera, et cetera, and it reads in plain English. It doesn’t read like a rushed translation, so it’s rather nice on that front relative to a lot of gear we see coming over from overseas (although I admit, this isn’t the problem it used to be).

In addition to the Stout having TC for Ni200, Ti, and SS, it has VW mode and a few memory bank slots. The instruction booklet does not address how to use these. I understand the value of having a few memorized profiles, but honestly if you’re not going to discuss it in the instruction booklet, why even have the booklet? For many (yours truly included), this is going to be their first mod with that functionality; the booklet fails to address them, and that really detracts from the user experience.

The 18650 adapter goes a little wrong, too. Mine likes to shake around inside the sleeve, which is maddening. It works, but it can be frustrating.

Overall

The Stout is so close on so many counts to really blowing me away. If:

  1. The instruction manual included all the directions,
  2. The TC worked,
  3. The 18650 sleeve better fitting,
  4. The battery well a little deeper, and
  5. The fire button a little more substantial sounding

Then this device would be a slam dunk; if the TC worked, then it would be a plain old winner!

Now we get to the all-important question…“Who is the Vapor Flask Stout for?”

It depends on your market! If you don’t regularly spend $80+ for your mods, then it is for someone who wants:

  • A competent variable wattage device, and nothing to do with TC.
  • A handsome, well-designed, and ergonomic device.
  • A device that has lots of battery life.

If you regularly purchase high-end, or authentic devices, it is the above things, but it is also:

  • A handsome beater.

The Stout certainly gets more things right than it gets wrong, but at this stage in the game, that is simply not a strong enough criterion for me to wholeheartedly recommend something. It needs to get its key features right, especially as this comes as a sort of showcase for Joyetech’s best technology.

The Dani Extreme V2+ by Dicodes Review: Tell Your Wallets I’m Sorry.

I’ve had it for nearly a week, and I thought I would post my review of the Dani Extreme V2+.

    Specs:

  • 40W maximum output.
  • 0.2-3.5 Ohm resistance range.
  • Spring loaded positive contact.
  • Temperature control profiles available for NiFe30 (ResisTherm/Dicodes Wire), Ni200, Tungsten, Stainless Steel, and Other where you input a value based on the TCR of the wire.
  • Available in 18350, 18490, and 18650 tube sizes (if you purchase this, do yourself a favor and get the 18350 tube with both extensions (single and double) to accept the other battery sizes.
  • Size: Cell size + 39mm

    Review:

The tl;dr for this is: the Dani Extreme V2+ is in the most literal possible terms incredible. There are some negatives, and it has a fairly niche use case.

The first thing that really gets me about this mod is exactly how small it is. A lot of places will just give you a bunch of mm measurements, which is useful, but I like mine more for mods that will accept various batteries (that’s why I did it). The DEV2+ is smaller than an Atmomixani Nemesis at every battery size.

I just want you to wrap your mind around that. A regulated mod with an absurd suite of features (that I will get into later), let alone any regulated is smaller than the go-to mechanical mod for millions worldwide, and the Nemesis isn’t big at all. That boggles my flipping mind (although to be fair, the Wizard’s Apprentice II from Mark Bugs is a few mm smaller).

I’ll start with the hardware aspect of this first, because the feature set folds more into my use case review which I like to save for last.

The hardware is bananas. It’s hefty, but portable. This feels substantial, I don’t worry at all about buttons or batteries rattling, top caps coming off, or anything. This feels like it was made for a warzone, but is still elegant and clean looking. It’s extremely handsome, and I’m glad there’s a seam where the battery tube screws together, because otherwise it would look all too plain.

The threads aren’t buttery, they’re not scratchy, but they are deliberate. The threads are a tool to keep the sides of the tube together, and they let you know they are a) doing their job and b) are not going to get cross threaded or damaged any time soon.

The 510 connector is rock solid. All my tanks have been very happy getting put on top of it, and much like the battery tube threads, they are substantial. The positive contact is so firm, that you need to be as deliberate as the threads when screwing something on. It’s not hard, it’s not difficult, but you need to want it. The emphasis on smooth threading for so long made me a little shocked at how solid it was! Nothing moves that I don’t want to move and I love it.

Let’s talk about the button.

The button is awesome. It’s firm, and because it’s kind of a pain to turn off the mod completely, I just drop it in my pocket. That’s all it takes. It’s nice. It takes a little effort, but not a conscious one. It just goes when you want it to and doesn’t when you don’t. I haven’t had any issues with it firing on its own in my smaller backpack pockets or in my pants pocket. It has a nice satisfying feel to it. I was afraid that since it was small and rounded, my finger would get annoyed with it after a while, but no indentations on my fingertips or weird pinchiness.

The button is also your entryway to the menu system, which I was a little afraid of. The PBusardo video didn’t make it look easy, and having been in the P3 beta, I was ready for the worst.

It’s actually quite nice. Commands are fairly consistent, and the short manual included is very well detailed, so if you have a general idea of what you’re trying to do, it will be a huge help. Also,

READ THE MANUAL

It’s not a pain, but it’s easier than stumbling around the menus because the screen is a little small and so not everything is as descriptive as it could be. It’s not bad, just a fact of life, though some may make that into a bit of a big deal.

The menu lets you do a lot. A lot. A lot a lot a lot a lot. More things change than I honestly need to change, but most of it is behind an “Extended Function” menu option, so you don’t even need to deal with scrolling past that day to day.

And some may balk at the idea of having a single button menu system, but the best thing about this mod, what I will be talking about for the rest of the review is this: It’s impossibly consistent. You just set your settings to what you want when you load in a new coil/wire type and you leave it. You don’t have to touch it any more. I’m using the same settings on the same coil on the same atty as when I got it last week and I haven’t had to fiddle with anything once.

Not once.

That’s absolutely bizarre coming from DNA temperature control devices. In my pocket, my DNA 40 calibration gets thrown off like crazy, and I have to fiddle with it every hour or so when I want to go take a vape break. I literally have not gotten into the menu system since the weekend because I haven’t needed to (I still don’t totally know my way around the menu, but keep that a secret). It’s doing exactly what I want it to every time. This is the only TC mod I have where the TC doesn’t feel like it’s controlled by a dumb device – it feels like it should; natural and consistent. I can’t even tell when the power starts cutting out to maintain temperature.

The only negatives I can really come up with are that the screen is a bit small, mine is already a little scratched up from being in my pocket with keys, the menu can be a little cryptic if you don’t read the manual (READ THE MANUAL), the screen doesn’t turn on when you wake up the mod, and it’s a bit of a pain if you’re paranoid to turn the mod off because you need to go through the menu every time.

Before I get to who this is for, let’s turn the clock back a little bit to 2013.

Remember 2013? I sure do. Provape dominated higher end regulation. A single button menu system, smooth power output, and consistency that you hadn’t seen anywhere else before. Every time you hit the button, you knew what you were going to get because it’s a goddamn Provari. Every press of the button, every puff, every single time you were going to take a drag you knew what was coming. No delay, no variation. Just what you set. The Dani Extreme V2+ does that but better. Way better. It entirely outclasses the P3, let alone the 2.5. It has higher output, holds your temperature, and has a significantly simpler menu.

Remember mech mods? They were smaller than regulated mods, had high output, but you didn’t get consistent output. The mechs had a great size and output advantage, but for the most part in 2013, we were using 10A batteries that were generally limited to 42W. At full charge. And you had to worry about battery safety, shorts, and all sorts of nonsense. The Dani Extreme V2+ has the same power output, but it is consistent. I got mad because I thought I had to turn my mod back on, but the battery died. I had no idea that my battery had run out.

This mod is everything that we wanted then and outpaces everything we have now. It is a tube, and I had forgotten how much pocket space I have with a tube after using boxes for over a year. I had forgotten what simple button placement is like without having to roll the mod around in my hand. It’s way easy to index, and you know where to put your hand every time.

So…who is this for?

If the DNA 200 appeals to you, and you want to capitalize on all the features available, you’ve got those here with the exception of custom screens. This even outpaces the DNA 200 because you can adjust it to use whatever material you want on the fly. You don’t have to connect it to the computer, you’re not limited to 8 profiles if you swap around a lot. It’s really great. So if features are your thing, this is the chip for you, no computer needed. Or used.

If you don’t adjust your settings very much and are willing to deal with a little setup, then this is also the mod for you. In fact, I’ve found myself settling into that kind of pattern because I just don’t need to touch anything. I’ve got my mod turn on set to 3 clicks, and my menu turn on set to 5. Shit, I don’t even check the screen anymore except to check what my battery voltage is because I don’t need to. Everything else is working fine.

If you love tubes and want it to be regulated with temperature control, this is the mod for you.

If you were disappointed with the Provari P3, this is the mod for you. It’s significantly shorter than the P3, since the P3 is 18mm taller, has double the power output and incredible temperature control.

If you want the best temperature control on the market right now, then this is the mod for you.

This mod is not for you if:

  • You don’t want to get into TC and VW is all you want.
  • You are satisfied with a DNA 200 and the form factor.
  • You have a hard time reading smaller fonts.
  • A single 18650 is too little battery life for you (I get roughly 10 hours out of the LG poopy browns). I have enough space in my pockets now for this, a unicorn bottle, and a spare 18650 in a silicon sleeve, so I don’t worry.

    Conclusion

The temperature control on this mod is better than the DNA 200, but is it 50% better? 100% better to command the price difference between this and many of the DNA 200s on the market? That is a really tough call. The 2 year warranty does speak volumes about the quality of product they have, and if anything goes wrong that could save you a lot of trouble in the future. The experience of using it is much better than I thought it could be. If someone held all my mods off the edge of a skyscraper and asked which one I would save if I had to choose, it would absolutely be this one, so I suppose framed in that way it is worth the price difference. Over a similarly priced anything else? I would take the DEV2+ in a heartbeat.

The entire mod just reeks of those things that I value most – consistency, accuracy, and reliability. I will say this, however; the DNA 200 has its own charms that the DEV2+ doesn’t (or can’t) execute on.

Also, bad news for those of you who prefer boxes and fat wallets: Dicodes are coming out with box mods and a widely available modder’s board very soon, so expect to see more Dicodes-based mods floating around!

The Dani Extreme V2+ by Dicodes can be found at Creme de Vape.